I would like to take a brief moment to give immeasurable thanks from the depths of my heart to Venerable Geshe kelsang Gyatso Rinpoche’ Lama Zopa and other practitioners who have maintained pure practice and pure instructions, I thank them for allowing Buddhadharma to flourish in this degenerate age and for giving those as fortunate as myself in both the east and west, the opportunity to practice the precious teachings- may the pure doctrine je tsongkhapa flourish for evermore.

Baby, you seem to be very confused.

Hello “anon”

The Ganden Tripa acknowledged the spiritual authority of Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche, he did in no way acknowledge Shugden practitioners to represent the Gelug school.

Apparently you need to read his letter more carefully. He explicitly authorized TBI, which is nothing more than Dorje Shugden Practitioners, to represent the Gelug “order” in the United States. I’m sorry if you find it awkward, these are simply the facts.

Your post is misrepresenting and contorting the facts.

please see above

Also you should know, that Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche is moderate in Shugden worship, he does not force anybody to practice it and leaves the decision to the other person.

If that is the definition of “moderation in worship,” then so too are the NKT, DGTL, Rabten Choling, Shar Ganden, Serpom Norling, and indeed all other Dorje Shugden supporting organizations moderate. No-one is ever forced to “worship” the protector.

You also should know that Kelsang Gyatso, head of NKT, does not acknowledge Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche to be the reincarnation of Trijang Rinpoche and that there are no contacts between NKT and TBI or Kelsang Gyatso and his former teacher.

This seems entirely irrelevant to the point that apparently, the Ganden Tripa feels that Dorje Shugden practitioners are perfectly valid to “represent and transmit” the Gelug Dharma. I’m sure Geshe-la rejoices whenever anyone has the good sense to recognize the Dorje Shugden practitioners have been among the cream of the Gelug Sholars and Yogis of the past several hundred years.

Also you should know that Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche is concerned himself about fanatical Shugden followers and escaped them when they tried to murder his assistant, with the aim to put the blame for the assassination into the shoes of the Dalai Lama. and the TGIE.

That sounds terrible. I wonder if it is true? If you have some proof of this, then I would join you in lamenting the treachery of the delusions, and the things they can do to the minds of poor mother sentient beings longing to find peace.

{Long story snipped due to lack of verifiability and general irrelevance]

Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche concluded his message urging the followers of Dorje Shugden to stop seeking him. He said: “I do not wish to be in touch with you…”

This is, of course, very silly, as Trijang Rinpoche’s own followers are Dorje Shugden followers. They all do Dorje Shugden puja together at TBI. He has to be in touch with them in order to let them know what time to show up for class and puja. Of course, it is possible that he does not wish to be in touch with certain practitioners, perhaps they are pressuring him inappropriately or making demands he is unable or unwilling to aquiesce to. it is immaterial to the fact that the head of the Ganden Tradition thinks Dorje Shugden practitioner are true Gelugs, true Buddhists, and representative of the order.

After this statement Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche moved to the United States of America, where he lives only with his closest students.

It is precisely through living in the United States that this well known Dorje Shugden practitioner will be able to represent the Gelugpas there.

Since Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche states that “These are not lies, but true facts which I want everyone to know.” I think it is appropriate to quote here what he said himself in the interview with the Dharamsala radio station.

I don’t want to include the supposed quotation as there is no way for me to verify that it’s contents accurately represent what they say they do.

“Scholars and Yogis please check!” You’re funny!

I confess, it seems to me that you are the one who must be joking, but then we both know that appearances depend on karma, so there is no contradiction. I’m sure we are both hilarious from the right angle… Seriously, though, it is the Sakya throneholder Kunga Lodro who wrote this about Dorje Shugden. He said “Thinking about the name [Nechung] used, ‘Dorje’, Vajra, as in the context of Vajrayana, we can infer that he does not seem to be a protector that was bound to oath and named by glorious Hayagriva or Guru Rinpoche. Scholars and yogis, please check!”

Then he went on to compose ritual prayers to Dorje Shugden in which he explicit refers to him as a Buddha. Delicious.

There are a lot of pseudo-scholars and pseudo-yogis nowadays. Real scholars and yogis do not even read such a non-sense as the post above offers.

Since we know YOU read it, then we know you are no real scholar or yogi. From that we can adduce that you would have no idea what actual scholars and yogis get up to!

Anyway, I’m just playing, friend, i know false modesty when I see it. I wish you all the best in your sincere Dharma practice. May your life be filled with love and peace. :)

The Ganden Tripa acknowledged the spiritual authority of Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche, he did in no way acknowledge Shugden practitioners to represent the Gelug school.

Your post is misrepresenting and contorting the facts. Also you should know, that Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche is moderate in Shugden worship, he does not force anybody to practice it and leaves the decision to the other person.

You also should know that Kelsang Gyatso, head of NKT, does not acknowledge Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche to be the reincarnation of Trijang Rinpoche and that there are no contacts between NKT and TBI or Kelsang Gyatso and his former teacher.

Also you should know that Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche is concerned himself about fanatical Shugden followers and escaped them when they tried to murder his assistant, with the aim to put the blame for the assassination into the shoes of the Dalai Lama. and the TGIE.

{Story snipped due to lack of verifiability]

Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche concluded his message urging the followers of Dorje Shugden to stop seeking him. He said: “I do not wish to be in touch with you…”

After this statement Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche moved to the United States of America, where he lives only with his closest students.

Since Trijang Chogtrul Rinpoche states that “These are not lies, but true facts which I want everyone to know.” I think it is appropriate to quote here what he said himself in the interview with the Dharamsala radio station.

“Scholars and Yogis please check!” You’re funny!

There are a lot of pseudo-scholars and pseudo-yogis nowadays. Real scholars and yogis do not even read such a non-sense as the post above offers.

Geshe Ngawang Dhargyey talks about Je Phabongkha
Likewise, Lama Trijang Dorje Chang, Junior Tutor to His Holiness the present Dalai Lama, folds his hands unpon the crown of his head wheeverhe mentions Kzabje Pa-bongkha Rinpoche. He was such a great lama, unsurpassed by any, that hardly any lamas or geshes of the Three Pillars (the moasteries of Ganden, Sera and Drepung) had not been his disciples.

Once, in the cave-under -water, he experienced a manifestation of Yamantaka for nine days, while he himself was essentially Heruka Chakrasambhava. Further, he experienced a manifestation of Vajra Yogini who told him of the benefits to be derived from merging the Vajra Yogini teachings of the Sakya and Gelug traditions into one meditational practice. When he once made a great (tsog) offering beside a Heruka statue in Lhasa, the wisdom body actually entered into the statue. The statue danced and told him that whoever received Heruka initiation from him up to the seventh generator would be taken to the dakini realms.

From page 55 The Wheel of Sharp Weapons, with Commentary by Geshe Ngawang Dhargyey, ISBN: 81-85102-08-2 Published by the Library of Tibetan Works and Archives – Second revised edition 1994.